In this special in-betweenersode, Brooke explores the Mojave Desert with Natalie and Coral from Planet People Podcast. Discover why California’s “desert heart” is one of North America’s most biodiverse ecosystems, the surprising Raven-Tortoise-Human conflict, the complex relationship between renewable energy and conservation, and inspiring wins like the Chuckwalla National Monument and Western Joshua Tree Conservation Act.
What You’ll Learn
- Why the Mojave Desert is a critical carbon sink fighting climate change
- How closing dumpster lids saves desert tortoises from raven predation
- The hidden costs of solar farm expansion on pristine desert habitat
- Innovative solutions: laser technology, captive breeding programs, and rewilding initiatives
- Why “killing your lawn” creates wildlife corridors in your own backyard
- How to apply desert conservation lessons to your local community
Timestamps
[00:00] Introduction and guest backgrounds
[03:25] Desert Ecology 101
[08:15] Biggest threats facing the Mojave
[10:30] The Raven-Tortoise-Human conflict
[20:00] Renewable energy vs. conservation
[31:20] The Kill Your Lawn movement
[33:20] Captive breeding success stories
[40:45] Key takeaways and action steps
Featured Guests
Natalie Cibel – Wildlife biologist, Mojave Desert tortoise specialist, and founder of Planet People Podcast, a platform for community-based conservation storytelling in Southern California.
Coral Carson – Creative director and co-host of Planet People Podcast. With a background in art and animation, Coral proves you don’t need to be a scientist to make a conservation impact.
Take Action
- Secure trash and close dumpster lids to reduce wildlife conflicts
- Stay on designated trails when visiting desert areas
- Consider replacing your lawn with native plants
- Support Mojave Desert Land Trust and Living Desert Zoo
- Look for conservation opportunities in your own backyard
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Frequently Asked Questions
What is the Mojave Desert and why is it important?
The Mojave Desert makes up 30-34% of California’s total land area and serves as the state’s “desert heart.” It’s a critical carbon sink where ancient cryptobiotic soil stores carbon from the atmosphere, acting as a natural fighter against climate change. The desert supports unique endemic species found nowhere else on Earth, including the Western Joshua tree and Mojave desert tortoise.
What is the Raven-Tortoise-Human conflict?
The Raven-Tortoise-Human complex describes how human presence in the desert (dairy farms, dumpsters, trash) creates food subsidies for ravens, causing their population to explode. These ravens prey on baby desert tortoises, contributing to the species’ rapid decline. Decades ago, you could see hundreds of tortoises in the field; now it’s rare to see even one.
How does renewable energy impact desert conservation?
While renewable energy like solar and wind power reduces fossil fuel dependency, large-scale solar farms in the Mojave require bulldozing pristine desert habitat, removing thousands of Joshua trees and displacing desert tortoises. Conservation advocates push for installing solar panels on existing structures like parking lots and rooftops instead of pristine desert lands.
What is the Western Joshua Tree Conservation Act?
Signed into law by Governor Gavin Newsom on July 10, 2023, the Western Joshua Tree Conservation Act is the first conservation act in California created to protect a single species. It protects Joshua trees on both public and private land, requiring permits to remove trees from yards or development sites. The Act also requires the development of a conservation plan and creates a fund to acquire and manage Joshua tree habitat.
What is the Kill Your Lawn movement?
The Kill Your Lawn movement encourages homeowners to replace water-intensive grass lawns with native plants. Connected yards full of native species create wildlife corridors for birds and pollinators to migrate through, increasing biodiversity in neighborhoods across California and North America. This rewilding approach transforms suburban landscapes into functional habitat.
How can I help protect the Mojave Desert?
You can help by: closing dumpster lids and securing trash to reduce raven food sources, staying on designated trails when off-roading, never removing Joshua trees without permits, supporting organizations like Mojave Desert Land Trust and Living Desert Zoo, replacing your lawn with native plants, and applying conservation principles to your local community.
What is a desert tortoise and why is it endangered?
The Mojave Desert Tortoise (Gopherus agassizii) is California’s state reptile. On April 18, 2024, the California Fish and Game Commission voted unanimously to uplist its status from threatened to endangered due to rapid population decline. The species faces threats from raven predation, habitat loss from solar development, vehicle strikes from off-roading, disease, drought, and climate change impacts. The tortoise has been federally listed as threatened since 1990.
What are cryptobiotic soils?
Cryptobiotic soils are ancient, thick layers of desert crust that have accumulated over generations. These specialized soils store carbon from the atmosphere, making deserts important carbon sinks. When disturbed by vehicles or development, the soil structure breaks down and releases stored carbon, contributing to climate change.
What conservation successes are happening in the Mojave?
Major wins include the Chuckwalla National Monument (designated January 14, 2025), the Western Joshua Tree Conservation Act (2023), the Mojave desert tortoise uplisting to endangered status (April 2024), captive breeding programs releasing 70 desert tortoise hatchlings at Edwards Air Force Base, and the Time to Talk Trash program reducing raven food subsidies at local restaurants across the desert.
What is the Chuckwalla National Monument?
The Chuckwalla National Monument, designated by President Biden on January 14, 2025, protects over 624,000 acres of Bureau of Land Management public lands in southern California where the Colorado and Mojave Deserts meet. The monument protects important cultural and historic resources, rich biodiversity, unique geological features, and provides critical habitat for threatened and endangered species including the Mojave desert tortoise. It is part of the largest protected landscape corridor in the lower 48 states.
Who are Planet People Podcast?
Planet People Podcast is a conservation storytelling platform founded by wildlife biologist Natalie during her master’s degree. Co-hosted with creative director Coral Carson, the show focuses on community-based conservation in Southern California. Now in year three and season two, the podcast covers Mojave Desert conservation with episodes featuring experts, land managers, scientists, and Indigenous voices working to protect California’s desert landscapes.






